Conclusion:
Government Reform. Proposition

 Persistence

NOTE:

If I moderate this, I will not be running any of my characters for a position in any office or what not. I may put a character in council, but I have no real interest in controlling anything, but rather moving it along.

THE ORIGINAL TWO DISCUSSIONS AND COMMENTS. READ!

Discussion One: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dmOVOmQCXYMGMjEgLzd9fWxDDyhAjqL...

Discussion Two: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ujfx-6NCPat5SEwXYaQ2KbYnCg3a8TL...

Comments on both discussions: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1R9uwlZh-UQLOLaoSEpgVvjEQRjwOqOK...

Why we should have a government, ran by NPCs or not: *Addressing concerns and more!*

1) As some one who has experienced this first hand, major side plots divide chat and isolate people. I've had all my friends join one plot, but I couldn't join because of the fact I wasn't friends with one person, so for weeks, I would have a character coming in almost daily and being ignored by my close friends. I had no other thing to do, and people were so caught up in these side plots, they weren't willing to rp with anyone else.

Not only that, but honestly, when my character sees some one getting beat to death in the inn, if we were being realistic and if they would allow anyone to join the plot, so many people would try to jump in.

A government could create a major plot in which everyone could join. 

2) If you do not want to participate in a major plot, as in the words of an admin you can..

"No one has to be a part of a storyline or otherwise acknowledge a piece of narrative they don't want to be a part of, or are uninterested in. It goes bothways.
No one can force you to play in an arch you disagree with, like you can't force anyone to pl
ay in an arch they disagree with. Even if both share a common space.
but of course, you can mute the other half by putting it on ignore.
that is a tool we offer to prevent these kinds of issues.
if you refuse to use it, it's under your own discretion."

 

 3) An example(s) of why I don't want to do a second vote and think it's a little excessive that people are saying their voice isn't being heard:

"How soon are you posting the election blogs?"

Said from some one who participated in the first survey.

The fact that this discussion was on the leader boards for weeks, and clearly states government reform in the title, and would be one of the first things people see when they enter the site, and the fact that no one clicked on it, even though if it would effect them, it was obvious it would effect them, just based off the title name.

Also, the fact that I posted this discussion in main multiple times over a span of a week. It shows that only twenty people cared enough to click on this, read it, post their opinion via the survey, which was open for a week and the rest didn't care enough to put that effort in.

Then we had people who clearly did not read the discussion, go into main, start an OOC argument about it, go into comments, get salty about it (despite the fact that I asked them not to do this) had people saying that anyone who was pro the idea were idiots. This lack of maturity isn't surprising, but I was rather hopeful that this could be avoided and makes me trust the opinion of those who haven't even read the discussion fully; lower.

4) The fact that there was an option to say no to all of the governments in the first survey, and that I don't want people thinking that this will be a dictator ship when ever they see the word government, and it's more complex then do you want a gov. Yes or No? but it's not too complex.

5) No matter what, it's not going to be a vote on who's more popular and only cliques can join. In a NPC government, it would be with OOC discussions. In any other form of government, only active, involved player's who submit anonymous statements get voted in every three to four months, and there will probably still be OOC discussions!

I will not be posting the election/vote blog until and as many possible or already existing issues about this are solved.

I want as many people to feel comfortable and to have their worries rested, and even if I can not settle all worries, I hope/know that others will strive to pitch in their ideas and help fix them

I am aware and have been present/active in main with past governments and have taken as many concerns and worries about this as I can, personally, in consideration. I will continue be doing so, and will encourage others to take opinions and worries into consideration as they possibly help out with this.

What will be going on in the possibly near future..

AN ELECTION! WOOT! It will be a blind election though. The way it works can be found in the original discussion link! Unless, another election/survey/vote is chosen for a gov. or not.

I have talked to admins also. So. Wipee!

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Well mousey. When someone finds something or somebody comes up with something. Aero would certainly like to run for something. Anything. He is rich. Just let me know when you get your conclusion on this matter. Thank you.

  So to begin with, I’d like to address the timeline of these blogs in a short outline. After this, I will explain each event in the order of which happened. I’ll probably come off as aggressive, or biased, but I’m telling it as I experienced it.- Letta's player

  1. The First Government

  2. The Reform

  So when the bomb dropped on Providence, and the Rogues emerged from the ash, they decided that monarchies were not the way to go, so they decided on a democracy. When everyone was settled in Persistence, they held an election to choose 1 President (who had his/her choice of VP), 1 Judge, and 4 Senators. All smaller positions such as Attorney General, were assigned by the government after a group vote. This worked relatively well for a few reasons, firstly that we had all had experience with war plots and would do anything to keep Persistence untarnished. Secondly, we all communicated on a regular basis and would RP with each other, even if one person didn’t generally associate with a group. It also worked well because even if a few dropped out (which they did), no one would have absolute power.

  Then in Spring of 2016, Banshee posted a blog (which he intended as a joke, and later apologized for), insinuating that he declared himself king of Persistence due to a brief absence of the President and other political powers due to RL constraints that could not be helped. This was meant as a joke, but sparked a greater debate as to whether the then current system was really working. Under the pressure, the remaining political leaders (being the President, the Vice President, and the Judge), resigned and were temporarily replaced by a manatee, until the government could be reformed.

  Narrator held an OOC meeting to discuss the issue to see if a system could be made that would please all parties. The meeting itself was so loaded with people that the website lagged, but otherwise it was civil and a compromise was reached. They decided that there would be a Day court and a Night court, each having 1 Chief Executive, 2 Senators, and 1 Judge. This was to give equal representation during the day and night, for those who lived in different places with difficult time zones such as Australia and Europe. The people were pleased, an election was subsequently held, and people were chosen. It did not go well.

  There were several issues with the Dark and Light court. The groups, while wonderfully diverse, did not talk to each other at all. Some misunderstood the position they were granted, and others just vanished While it is understandable that OOC issues can lead to absence, it only took a month for most of the government to dissipate, and it has not been repaired since. In any case, it appears that only one of the both governments combined acknowledges that they are a leader, although there are a total of four characters that still actively write in chat.

One person cannot run a government alone. This is the whole reason we created a democracy in the first place.

 

So, I want to clear up also, what the government actually was intended for when me and others crafted it in the beginning of Persistence:

First of all, it controlled what kind of storylines could and could not affect the island. Back in the times of Providence, you could drop a nuke on the city and millions would die, but people would still drink happily. But to make it as realistic as possible (realistic being that a dairy farmer can't make a profit if his damn cows keep getting eaten by a squid monster), and to avoid doing the same thing over and over and over again, it went through approval. If the government was all right with a world war, then we'd enter a world war. The government also worked together on social issues in Persistence. Should cold blooded murder be legal?

For some reason or another (and I put this in bold because it's important), people thought that getting elected made them Head DM, or an administrator of Rolepages. This is absolutely NOT true.


I'd like to apologize for the strange formatting. This damn website kept refreshing, and autorecover isn't an option for whatever reason, so I put it on a word doc instead.


John Hancock said:

  So to begin with, I’d like to address the timeline of these blogs in a short outline. After this, I will explain each event in the order of which happened. I’ll probably come off as aggressive, or biased, but I’m telling it as I experienced it.- Letta's player


-Mousey's player
яσѕα нαℓє said:

So we have no government. Lit. That's one of things I was wondering.

Also, Aero, if there was an election, unless you broke some rules in the election, you could probably run for office. But even then, there is no sure expectation that you would get into office unless there was no one running against you.

Also, it would be really preferable if one was active and in main quiet a bit, since the government is for the main chat room. 

Also, I realized that maybe there could be more land marks added to Palisade, officially. I was looking at the Persistence page ( http://www.rolepages.com/group/persistence? ) which already has a volcano, swamp, mountains, jungles and ports. Maybe lakes? New mountains? Official names? There is also the Magi Castle, and the original sites (like the memorial site for all the old wars, and the old noble houses!)

 

Okie dokie, so, the old map of Persistence that had been decorated isn't a working link anymore (but I might have it saved on my computer if I really look when I go home tonight). But I will do my best now to fill you in on all the deets of what I can remember until I can make a new map or find the original.

 

 

The island is tropical, and very humid. Because of this, there is a great growth of greenery (which is great for farming), and results in lots of humid yucky swamps. A few daring residence seek solace in the swamps, as it's mostly uninhabited, save for enormous insects and the Swamp Monster. The Swamp Monster does not attack outside of the swamp, but has been known to strike unwanted intruders. Those that have seen it, have compared the Swamp Monster to a giant, although no one has ever been able to get photographic evidence of the Swamp Monster.

There are indeed quite a few mountains, east of the swamp, north of the actual city of Persistence. The mountains are steep, and can be dangerous, but are otherwise a wonderful adventure for the residents and tourists to enjoy, both from the ground and on the peak of the mountain. Some are bigger than others, and few are more like big rocky hills than mountains.

The Volcano rests north of the mountains and swamp. It's enormous, and is quite active although it hasn't erupted in a long time. On the east side of the volcano, a destination spa has been built along with a resturaunt that overlooks the island. This resort can be reached by skilift.

On the west side however, are the ruins of an ancient temple from the civilization that once ruled this island. The temple was the first thing that the Rogues discovered. On the inside, the walls are decorated in beautiful glowing emeralds, alters, and benches for some bizarre ritual that have yet to be researched. On the walls, and made in statues, are the idols they worshipped; frogs. Some parts of the temple are open to the public, while other parts are locked magically. (I'll write more on the temple soon.) Anyone who takes an object from the temple is cursed with salmonella until they return the stolen object. Through one passageway in the temple, is a tunnel system that leads underneath the swamps to the main city of Persistence, located near the east coast of Persistence.

The city of Persistence is spread out for the most part, with the exception of the Trader's Post (just a local gathering for people to trade their wares, aka marketplace). There are a few places that were built by the first government leaders, free to the public to use. We'll talk first about House Lannister.

House Lannister is the dedicated home for the President and Vice President, enormous in size and guarded by dedicated soldiers of Persistence. Within the center of it, is the Garden of Betrayal, aptly named as a reminder to the government leaders to be wary of corruption. The Garden of Betrayal is mainly used as a gathering place for parties and political meetings without the risk of assassination.

House Krieg is the second building, made by former senator Mick Rawson. The building is primarily a gymnasium for every person of every shape and size, and for every lifestyle, including combat (the first recreational facility built). On the top floor, restricted to the person who keeps it maintained, is a bedroom, kitchen, living space, and bathroom.

West of House Lannister and House Krieg is an obelisk made of black stone. It was dedicated to the many heroes that gave their lives to defend the city. The names so far engraved on it are Petyr Baelish, Blaze Grim, and Jaime Lannister.

On the west coast of Persistence, there is a docking port for ships of all kinds of shapes and sizes. Maleficent currently runs them. This is the primary source of income for the city of Persistence, since the population is relatively small (compared to enormous cities like Olde Watch and Consequence).

 

That’s all that I can currently think of. I apologize if I missed any (actually, if I did miss them, please tell me what I missed so I can include them in my upcoming blogs)  

So wait are doing another election again?


That's what I am proposing. But only if people want to, and if there are no objections to this system. 
Myrno Razkin said:

So wait are doing another election again?

The last time this came up and we held elections it turned into an OOC popularity contest in which non of the people stuck around. Personally, i rather enjoy the social anarchistic state in which Main finds itself. I have other issues with it that are more personal but more or less it just boils down to people getting elected who wont stick around or who'll just vanish as soon as they get elected *Cough cough* Izzy *Cough Cough* 

Though, to be honest, i wouldnt mind running for one of these positions with more than a few of my characters if they DID come up.

Easy solutions to avoid the popularity contest:

No one who ran last time can run this time, since they've proven unreliable.

Forget having an executive, just elect a limited number of Council members. Rotate through the Council members every week/month/bi-month/whatever period to choose a Head Council Person who serves as as your "executive".

Council members are your representatives, too.

Judges seem a poor decision, since ain't nobody gonna be able to actually police people up in this joint, too many trouble-makers who are too overpowered to even be dealt with. Too many dangerous people and neer-do-wells to make it actually effective. Which is some bullshit, but... the truth.


I agree to a point i think those who run and won shouldn't be able to run again but those who ran and lost should be able to try again. Only ONE character of a player should run and i agree with Mandolore things are fine as they are
Loki the Mischievous said:

Easy solutions to avoid the popularity contest:

No one who ran last time can run this time, since they've proven unreliable.

Forget having an executive, just elect a limited number of Council members. Rotate through the Council members every week/month/bi-month/whatever period to choose a Head Council Person who serves as as your "executive".

Council members are your representatives, too.

Judges seem a poor decision, since ain't nobody gonna be able to actually police people up in this joint, too many trouble-makers who are too overpowered to even be dealt with. Too many dangerous people and neer-do-wells to make it actually effective. Which is some bullshit, but... the truth.

Again things should just remain as is. and let people more or less make plots alongside things.
We already tried this once and as stated above it became a shit OOC fest and when it was over it was not even a few days before those elected just up and poofed.

To be honest that whole thing was just a play to knock Letta ,Jaime and the others out of "power"  and nothing else because people felt they had too much control. They honestly did not they were just the only ones willing to make story plots as DMs.

People love joining shit but rarely like to be active in it. 
As  Christopher Titus once said "Everyone wants a revolution, Nobody wants to pack a lunch."
It it happens id like to try to run again but still i think it may end up  people voting for who they like more and not people who would actually contribute.

I think the council idea is good and they can have a meeting to talk over supposed plot lines and collaborate. And the persistence Army is a good idea since it does not really require direct and constant activity as people can join it whenever the need arises.



Who Ever I am said:


That's what I am proposing. But only if people want to, and if there are no objections to this system. 
Myrno Razkin said:

So wait are doing another election again?

:U Honestly, there were a lot of things that were wrong with the last elections.

I don't think it's fair to say that everyone who ran last time was unreliable, so that everyone who ran last time shouldn't be in it. I ran, and didn't win, but still filled in a position because some one left. I think if you're active, and seem to be reliable in general, you should be able to run.

And it's not very nice to name drop mister cough cough mandaldore cough cough! Plenty of people stopped being in office because of the OOC.

Also, unless plotted, the judges won't really be policing anyone that powerful. No one is going to file a report against a god.. And there is more to their job!

The council passes laws, for the most part. People in the council would have political debates on why a law should or shouldn't exist, which would go into morals and all that fun stuff~ The representatives act like diplomats in foriegn lands. 

Because this is a blind vote, and you can not claim a 'statement' it will not be a popularity contest.

The Head Judge

The Head Judge handles all city state controversial court cases, has to give permission to the Executive Prime for the Executive Prime to give out an order (like bombing a city or declaring a state of emergency) and has to sign with The Executive Prime Deputy for a treaty/alliance/agreement to be valid.

The Three Alternative Judges

The Three Alternative Judges decide whether a case is ‘big enough’ to go to the city state Head Judge and do the final vote for a law to become a law. The Three Alternative Judges do have the power to veto or to propose to get rid of a law.

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